August 05, 2005
Jenkens & Gilchrist Recruiting Video
Posted by Christine Hurt

This is not a parody; this is a recruiting video for the Austin office.

Download jgaustinspirit2.wmv

1.  Do they really wear tennis shoes?  I had to wear closed-toe shoes and pantyhose (shiver).

2.  Did they pay to use that Rocky music?

UPDATE (Oct. 26, 2005):  If you have been directed here via American Lawyer, then you may want to read today's post on this topic.  Welcome!

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Comments (48)

1. Posted by anonymous on August 5, 2005 @ 13:55 | Permalink

that is the dumbest video I have ever seen!


2. Posted by kristine on August 5, 2005 @ 15:35 | Permalink

That was....horrifying.


3. Posted by Scott Moss on August 5, 2005 @ 15:59 | Permalink

I was going to criticize because about 90% of the folks in suits were men. But then I saw that they had female cheerleaders -- there were a lot of women in t-shirts cheering on the men in suits -- which I guess is their effort at gender equity.


4. Posted by Scott Moss on August 5, 2005 @ 16:03 | Permalink

This is like a car wreck I can't stay away from. I decided to play it again, with frequent pauses, to count the male/female ratio. I may've missed one or two, but I counted 14 men and two women in suits. That excludes the numerous women in t-shirts and the male "coach." I really and truly hope they face a sex discrimination suit -- whether glass ceiling or hostile work environment or discriminatory work assignments -- and have to deal with this video getting admitted into evidence.


5. Posted by Julie on August 5, 2005 @ 18:11 | Permalink

Hey, was that Ted Kennedy running in with the other guys?


6. Posted by Scott Moss on August 5, 2005 @ 20:03 | Permalink

I thought that looked like Kennedy too! But he hasn't acted like a drunken frat boy for several years, unlike the men of Jenkens & Gilchrist, who apparently think that running a law firm is just like running a kegger.


7. Posted by The Mommy Blawger on August 5, 2005 @ 23:49 | Permalink

I worked at J&G's Austin office for two years before I went to law school.

Yes, that was pretty dumb.

The people on the sidelines are support staff. I recognize several people, including "Ted Kennedy" if you mean this guy:

http://jenkens.com/jenkens/attorneybio.asp?attorneyid=82&pgid=212

He's actually quite nice, not at all given to drunkeness or frat-boy behavior. I think if I were a female lawyer in that firm, I would have called in sick on the day they shot that video.

"Where every day is game day." Translation: you will be working 7 days a week here.


8. Posted by Scott Moss on August 6, 2005 @ 8:34 | Permalink

That's funny. Yeah, I didn't mean to single out that guy -- I don't know him; I shouldn't assume that everyone portrayed in the video thought "this is a great video" (much less is a drunked frat boy); and he looks a lot less like Ted in his official picture.


9. Posted by Josh on August 6, 2005 @ 21:49 | Permalink

I cannot find the video on the J&G website. Is it still there? How do you know it was used for recruiting attorneys?


10. Posted by Christine on August 6, 2005 @ 22:28 | Permalink

If you click on the link "Austin office," you'll go to the Austin website. The video is in the middle of the screen labeled "Employer of Choice." The title sort of gives it away, but I was also told by attorneys in Austin that it was a recruiting video.


11. Posted by Carolyn on August 7, 2005 @ 20:24 | Permalink

Talk about white bread! I saw one lawyer who was black. Didn't see any black support staff. Didn't see anybody I could identify as hispanic, either in the support staff or the attorneys. I can tell you Austin has a vast number of hispanics! Isn't this a diverse team?!!!!


12. Posted by Eric Goldman on August 7, 2005 @ 20:54 | Permalink

That was among the most horrifying videos I've ever seen. Eric.


13. Posted by Petri on August 8, 2005 @ 7:10 | Permalink

I'm the PR Manager for Jenkens and just wanted to clarify the purpose of the video. A few weeks ago the Austin office was named "One of the Best Places to Work in Central Texas " by the Austin Business Journal . As a nominee, the office also qualified to compete against other nominees for the "Most Spirited Company" award . Our video was judged against video entries submitted by numerous other nominees. Most of the videos that were finalists showed a sense of humor like ours did. The office won the competition with its production. And yes, we obtained the rights to use the music.

As for diversity, The Austin Chronicle reported last week that Jenkens & Gilchrist received an "A+" in the sixth annual minority-hiring report card compiled by the Austin Black Lawyers Association and the Hispanic Bar Association of Austin for the Austin office's high percentage of minority attorneys and student law clerks.


14. Posted by Scott Moss on August 8, 2005 @ 10:43 | Permalink

The point isn't (a) whether it won an award or (b) whether Jenkens employs minorities. The main issue here is the gender problem. And I don't just mean the "numbers," the 1950s image of a 90% male group of lawyers being cheered on by adoring female support staff.

Jenkens is consciously conveying the image that they envision themselves as a football locker room, complete with the firm being run by a gruff-talking male football "coach" and the lawyers preparing for their legal work with a testosterone-addled, grunting "huddle."

The hiring market is heating up, and female law students/junior associates now have options. What is the video saying to women about their odds of fitting in, when this is the culture? What does the "leader as gruff football coach" say about their odds of making it into a leadership role?

I know J&G's answer will be, "that's ridiculous, we give equal opportunity to everyone, and we have women at the firm." And I see that your female associate statistics have increased from extremely poor (33.9%) to mildly close to acceptable (43.7%), though that easily could be a one-year blip; and while partner diversity always lags associate diversity a bit, I'm not convinced that jumping from 13 to 14% female partners is that impressive.

Basically, J&G is alienating a lot of women with an ad that says, "come to J&G -- it's just like a male-dominated football locker room." If you don't care about that, or don't believe me, consider that this likely would be discoverable in any gender discrimination suit the firm faces, and it doesn't look good. There are numerous employment discrimination cases in which this sort male-focused, male-dominated culture buttressed a woman's gender discrimination claim.


15. Posted by bigchico on August 8, 2005 @ 19:56 | Permalink

scott, you're not going to get laid on a message board, you know.


16. Posted by Scott Moss on August 8, 2005 @ 23:49 | Permalink

Damn, if only, before getting married and having my first child, I could have benefitted from the romantic advice of someone with the wisdom and forthrightness to offer unsolicited advice/insults under the name "bigchico".... Say, don't you have another 3000 hours to bill at Jenkins & Gilchrist to make your quota?


17. Posted by anonymous on August 11, 2005 @ 13:19 | Permalink

The thing that is so worrisome is that, in this day and age, the leaders in this firm could be so clueless about how non-whites, non-males, and non-jocks would view this video. The video is shocking and the lack of sensitivity even more so. Wow!


18. Posted by Fred on August 11, 2005 @ 13:35 | Permalink

If J&G has so many minority and female lawyers, why weren't they in the video. Must be because they have better taste than white males & Texans. Very tacky video. One for the Hall of Shame.


19. Posted by David Sergi on August 13, 2005 @ 15:27 | Permalink

I used to practice at a large frim in San Francisco. I now practice criminal law and death pealty habeas law in Central Texas and this remided me of why I made the choices that I made. I still cant stop laughing at these guys.


20. Posted by Exodus on October 3, 2005 @ 16:05 | Permalink

You must be kidding me Mr. Moss. Apparently the concept of a droll video has no place in the legal profession in your opinion. And that is just that, your opinion. However, when presented by the facts that Jenkens actually is quite impressive in terms of its number of females employed as associates and law clerks within its offices (especially when compared to other "big" firms) you scoff it off and retort by stating that they "consciously convey the image that they envision themselves as a football locker room." Why do you go to football? Why not soccer or basketball or other sport that are no longer male dominated (and a number of women I have talked to about this are more offended by your assumption that women do not relate/cannot be part of a sports environment)? Does that not fit your agenda as well? Oh, maybe it is because players in suits more closely resemble football players, then say basketball or soccer players. Yeah, I bet that's it.

Assuming for a second, however, that this actually was a football scenerio, did it ever occur to you that Austin is in the middle of Texas (a little geography lesson to boot) and that Texans love their football? Yes, Mr. Moss, even Texan women love football. Thus, since this video was made, apparently, as a form of showing office spirit, it would seem that a video like this would have been particularly relevant to its intended audience. After all, it did apparently win. Hmmmm. That is strange.

I've discussed this issue with my wife, who is an employment attorney specializing in employment discrimination defense work, and she has assured me that this video is in know way as damning as you seem to make it out to be. In fact, she stated that, being a teacher at Marquette, you may want to take a look at the 7th circuit case law and then reevaluate your comments.

While I agree with you that discrimination is wrong, I also realize that the law has classically been a male profession and though things are changing, it is not an overnight change. When disregarding the actual gender statistics as "mildly close to acceptable (43.7%)" please remember that this is a law firm you are critiquing and that for a big law firm, these numbers are actually quite good. Especially for a non-west coast based firm. The way things are in the real world vs. the way you would like them to be are two very different things. You'd be wise to remember that.

As a side note, my wife was quite offended that you assume she would not be able to cut it in an environment with a straight talking, "gruff" male leader. She was letterwinner in both volleyball and basketball in college and, I'm positive, is far better equipped to cut it in the real world that you sir.

How does that saying go again? Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, . . .


21. Posted by Ed Guest on October 3, 2005 @ 16:21 | Permalink

"How does that saying go again? Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, . . ."

...make stupid videos, apparently.


22. Posted by Glad I Didn't Go there! on October 13, 2005 @ 17:16 | Permalink

I actually interviewed there and am really glad I turned down their offer. That video is absurd and disgraceful. Yea, I guess they have spirit... but then, so does the squirrel crossing a crowded lane of traffic.


23. Posted by John Jay on October 14, 2005 @ 20:55 | Permalink

It amazes me how a bunch of lawyers can get so worked up over nothing. Now, with this video, every village idiot who did not get an offer at this firm can express their indignation with the state of the legal profession. I am not from TX and had not heard about this firm, but looking over its attorneys bios, it looks ok.

Calm down. While it is not a great video, it is funny. Go back to padding your timesheets and surfing the web.


24. Posted by Common Sense on October 17, 2005 @ 19:41 | Permalink

There is at least one female lawyer in the "huddle" and pack of people who run through the halls. She has short hair and is wearing a pantsuit which isn't very flattering, but she's in there. Take a closer look. It's probably just an accurate reflection of who they had in the office that day.


25. Posted by bystander on October 26, 2005 @ 8:09 | Permalink

Lighten up, people! I worked at Jenkens for four years and know for a fact that the vast majority of people that work there are very nice. They care about their co-workers and their clients. They don't have to bill "3000 hours". I usually worked from about 7:30 am to 5:30 pm five days a week. Maybe on Saturday four times a year. No problem at all getting in my hours and a hefty bonus on top of that.

I also helped recruit new attorneys and we never cared about color or gender. If you met the academic standards and could do the job well (and were green with six legs), that was really all that mattered. If you're incompetent, I wouldn't want to hire you no matter what that did to the diversity statistics.

I visited the Austin office many times. There were plenty of female attorneys there, and it was my pleasure to work with them. I suspect that those that had the suits wore them, so they could look like a "team" on the video, and that's who they went with on that day. It would have been nice to see the young lady running out in front, but that's really a nit. I mean, this is about being fired up - and winning! Football? C'mon, that's not Rocky's sport! What's with you guys?

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