We are in the market for a car. Since my daughter obtained her driver's license last summer, we have been trying to avoid the issue of a third vehicle, but with a second child entering high school and another in middle school plus two more in elementary school, we could really use another car. And with gasoline pushing $3.00 per gallon, we decided to think about a hybrid. So has everyone else, despite the fact that the EPA's mileage estimates for the Toyota Prius are probably inflated (unless you are hacking).
Yesterday, I test drove a Toyota Prius for the first time. With a waiting list on this car of 4-5 months, I had big expectations, but after driving it, I have decided to wait for the next generation of hybrids. People who think a lot about cars believe that the future for hybrids lies in performance, not fuel economy, but on this front, the Prius has not arrived yet. The first move feels like a golf cart, with only a bit more power. (I am accustomed to driving a six-cylinder Saturn L300, which has a very spunky engine, and the Prius seems gutless by comparison.) On the road, it handled well, and the transition from electric to gas and back was seemless. But it was not very responsive when I need to speed up quickly.
The interior reminded me of a cartoon from my childhood, My Favorite Martian, where the house was bigger on the inside than on the outside. My twins (9 years old) fit comfortably in the back seat, which is made roomier by the hatchback design. And while it wouldn't replace my Suburban for hauling furniture, the storage space is ingeniously roomy when the back seats are folded down.
For all of the good news in the back, the driver's seat needs work. Even at its highest position, the steering wheel sits low for me, and the seats do not have a height adjustment. I also thought that the front-right visibility was limited. I am only 5' 11" tall, and I have no idea how you would drive this car if you were over 6' tall.
This is a well-designed car, and I am thrilled that people are buying it because carmakers are now serious about creating great hybrids. The fact is that it isn't far away from being a car that I would be excited to own, but it's not there yet.
UPDATE: While I was at the Toyota dealership, I was introduced to the Scion xA, the styling of which reminded me vaguely of Smart cars. Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to test drive the Scion. While I suspect that its performance would be similar to the Prius, it comes in at slightly over half the cost. That's a trade I might be willing to make.
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1. Posted by Lydia Loren on August 26, 2005 @ 12:12 | Permalink
Well, you might not have been excited by the Prius, but we are. We bought one last year and absolutely love it. We calculated the savings from the enhanced gas milage (we've been getting about 47-48 MPG per tank since we got the car in November) and figured that we were saving just over $1000 a year in gas. That was assuming our driving miles of around only 20,000 miles per year and gas at $2.50/gallon.
For me, only 5 feet tall, the only downside in the driver's seat is a nasty blindspot created by the windshield side frames. I also find the engine plenty peppy enough.
Sorry to hear you didn't like it. But we love it.
2. Posted by Gordon Smith on August 26, 2005 @ 12:23 | Permalink
Hi Lydia,
I definitely see how you could love it, though I am surprised to hear about your gas mileage being that high in Lake Oswego/Portland. The car I test drove kicked over to gas (or the gas/electric combo) when I went up even very small grades. The salesman talked about how the car trains the driver to maximize fuel efficiency, and the thought of trying to please that car was driving me batty, though I supposed that I would get used to it pretty quickly.
3. Posted by Scott Moss on August 26, 2005 @ 12:47 | Permalink
I wonder if the mileage estimates are inflated on all cars. Our new car has an "instantaneous mileage" screen (not the precise name) showing how many miles per gallon you're getting at any particular moment. Ours supposedly gets 28 MPG on the highway, but we don't unless it's a perfectly flat, straight stretch of road and we're on cruise control....
4. Posted by Marie on August 26, 2005 @ 14:04 | Permalink
When my husband and I were in the market for a new car last year, I rented a Prius, drove it in town and then drove from Dallas to Houston in it. I liked it in town, but on the highway I drove through a thunderstorm and was blown all over the road. Passing trucks wasn't much fun either. I also test drove a VW Beetle TurboS. We ran a 10 year cost of ownership analysis on both the Prius and the VW and the VW ended up being cheaper to own, even though I didn't find the milage claims to be inflated. I got 50 mpg. At $5,000 less than the Prius, I bought the Beetle and love it.
5. Posted by Texas Brian on August 26, 2005 @ 14:06 | Permalink
You might want to consider looking at the Honda hybrids, (which use a different technology), or the VW turbo-diesels.
As I recall, Honda hybrids use the electric to supplement the gas, not to replace it in certain instances like the Toyota. This hurts mileage in some driving situations. Of course, you can also get an Accord that gets 37 mpg on the highway. You can even get the Honda hybrids with manual transmissions. The Hondas also have more energetic engines.
On the other hand, VW TDI's get roughly 45 mpg in-city or on the highway. (I think the actual numbers are 42/51 city/highway.) But they're diesels. VW's are expensive to repair even though they're not as reliable as Hondas or Toyotas. And they have plenty of pep.
The mileage numbers are not based on modern driving habits or conditions. It would be better to show the MPG in various terrains throughout the normal speed range, with and without a/c.
6. Posted by Gordon Smith on August 26, 2005 @ 14:43 | Permalink
Speaking of diesels, a friend of mine here converted his diesel Mercedes to run on peanut oil, which he buys for -- well, peanuts -- at local Chinese restaurants. Now that man is saving some serious money!
7. Posted by Peter on August 28, 2005 @ 13:29 | Permalink
Hi Gordon,
I recently bought a 2d generation Prius & love everything re: it, except for the bar that bisects the rear window. That bar is initially distracting in the rear mirror, but it presumably is required to anchor the rear windshield wiper because of the angle of the slope of the rear window. It is vastly improved over the 1st generation Prius which I owned in 2003. Acording to a Toyota salesman, Toyota plans to offer hybrid versions of most of its models in a few years. The hybrid Rav4 is al ready offered in CA. I also test drove the Accord hybrid, which is very much like a non-hybrid Accord except for a battery pack. I also owned 2 Honda Civic hybrids, which are very similar to non-hybrid Civics, again except for the battery pack reducing trunk space. I did test drive a Honda Insight & felt it drifted sideways too much above 55 mph. Toyota designed the Prius to be different from any non-hybrid car & have a "space-age" feel to it. Honda's hybrid Civic & Accord models are designed to be as similar to its non-hybird versions as much as possible. An analogy might be vegetarian fake meats to ease transition to a new lifestyle.
8. Posted by Sean on October 3, 2005 @ 15:08 | Permalink
I own a 2003 model and get dozens of questions per week about it, even more now with rising gas prices. The real things is, and i don't see it being discussed here or elsewhere, is that it is an SULEV-> Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle. That is the reason behind the hybrid design and gas milage is a side effect. I currently get about 51 mpg (city/hway combined, in Seattle) after tracking for the past year using both the onscreen milage and pencil calculated milage (dist/gallons). But, my emissions per 2 weeks is about the same as an average car's emissions per day.
9. Posted by Betsy Markum on November 14, 2005 @ 11:47 | Permalink
I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $15203. Isn't that crazy!
10. Posted by Sue Mortensen on April 8, 2006 @ 16:50 | Permalink
I live in UT and purchased a Prius. There seems to be no state tax credit for a Prius because it has no gasoline-powered model with the same name. Has anyone else run across this issue in another state? Also, does anyone have any ideas on appealing the issue? It seems a little prejudiced to me since the emissions verification clearly makes it a clean air vehicle.
11. Posted by Sue Mortensen on April 8, 2006 @ 16:51 | Permalink
I live in UT and purchased a Prius. There seems to be no state tax credit for a Prius because it has no gasoline-powered model with the same name. Has anyone else run across this issue in another state? Also, does anyone have any ideas on appealing the issue? It seems a little prejudiced to me since the emissions verification clearly makes it a clean air vehicle.
12. Posted by kurtdaniel on August 31, 2007 @ 0:40 | Permalink
I don't own one, but they are certainly hot sellers right now. The USAToday has had at least one article about how hard they are to get and the fact that there is little if any negotiation involved. These thinks are hot.
13. Posted by karen on April 25, 2008 @ 19:47 | Permalink
I heard the mpg decreases substantially in very cold weather (30 degrees and below) has anyone experienced this with a Prius??
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