In case you've missed it, new Conspirator Ilya Somin and (old Conspirator) Eugene Volokh have been having some fun debating whether anyone can articulate a valid reason for prohibiting certain activities in places open to the public (like parks, streets, etc.), such as nudity, sexual activity, urination, and smoking. And, "it's yucky" isn't a valid reason. Although my sensibilities bristle at little at the thought, I have to admit that it is difficult to come up with a consistent, Constitutional theory for regulation beyond "I don't like it, and no thinking person would want that." Check it out, and please, please come up with something!
The debate reminded me of some posts earlier on the Conspiracy between David Bernstein and Orin Kerr about whether it was necessary/appropriate/relevant to explore whether certain law schools were open to libertarian-minded students. And why would schools not be open to libertarian views? I'm not defending it, but for some reason I think most of us get to law school so rigid in our thinking that it's hard to have an open mind when someone says in class "Yes, I think people should be able to contract themselves into slavery" (someone in my Contracts class) or "There is no reason to prohibit public sexual acts." So the speaker of those statements, which could provide for rich, intelligent exploration, becomes "the guy who said people should be able to contract themselves into slavery"). These statements seem to be arguing for a reality that has a big YUCK factor, and so others turn away. I'm glad to see that the blogosphere can revel in these discussions.
But please, someone come up with a very persuasive reason to prohibit public nudity. At least here in Wisconsin.
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1. Posted by Former Lawyer on May 5, 2006 @ 18:01 | Permalink
I don't advocate this position personally, but there is a reasonably cogent argument against public nudity.
The assumption underlying it is that sexual activity tends to distract by-standers or passers-by or otherwise impact productivity via this distraction. (Hard to argue against this given the use of sex in advertizing).
If we accept that sex and sexuality have a disproportionate psychological impact. Accordingly, permitting public sex acts or public nudity generally would work a harm on society. It's an extension of the argument for "disorderly conduct" statutes, or, perhaps, noise nuisance regulations. What is intrinsically bad about noise except that it prevents one from sleeping, concentrating, working, holding a conversaton, etc.? Sounds a lot like sex.
2. Posted by Robert Schwartz on May 5, 2006 @ 23:44 | Permalink
The problem here is the mismatch between so-called rational analysis and moral values. Reason can deconstruct any system of values. That is why the opponents of western civilization insist on using it to challenge the values that are the civilization.
Reason is a method, and a powerful one at that, but it is only a method. It does not come equipped with a source of values which are the facts of social life. They must be found in tradition and religion.
Our civilization has accepted the values that there things that are appropriate in public and things that are not appropriate in public, i.e. that are private. These distinctions are deeply ingrained. But they are not rules of logic or reason.
Incidentally, I wonder if anyone has premised their argument for copulating in public on the so-called "right of privacy" upon which SCOTUS has perched its demented sexual jurisprudence.
3. Posted by Robert Schwartz on May 5, 2006 @ 23:45 | Permalink
The problem here is the mismatch between so-called rational analysis and moral values. Reason can deconstruct any system of values. That is why the opponents of western civilization insist on using it to challenge the values that are the civilization.
Reason is a method, and a powerful one at that, but it is only a method. It does not come equipped with a source of values which are the facts of social life. They must be found in tradition and religion.
Our civilization has accepted the values that there things that are appropriate in public and things that are not appropriate in public, i.e. that are private. These distinctions are deeply ingrained. But they are not rules of logic or reason.
Incidentally, I wonder if anyone has premised their argument for copulating in public on the so-called "right of privacy" upon which SCOTUS has perched its demented sexual jurisprudence.
4. Posted by Robert Schwartz on May 6, 2006 @ 0:10 | Permalink
Sorry about the double. Take one down, if you can.
5. Posted by brent on May 7, 2006 @ 23:04 | Permalink
If a city, in the name of public asthetics, can prevent you from putting up a bilboard, or a home owners association can prevent you from building a carport, then I sure hope to hades someone can prevent you from taking your clothes off.
6. Posted by Rex on May 8, 2006 @ 9:07 | Permalink
I don't see why there need be a reason beyond the majoritarian right to regulate morality. Once it's established that prohibiting public sex has no First Amendment impediment (any suggestion to the contrary by the VC folk is silly, in my view), a state may prohibit what is inappropriate for any number of reasons. After all, our legislatures have always regulated immorality.
7. Posted by Frank Pasquale on May 14, 2006 @ 17:07 | Permalink
Lior Strahilevitz has a good piece on this regarding aesthetic and moral judgments (i think in a symposium on lawrence.)
8. Posted by Fred Foldvary on October 27, 2006 @ 14:19 | Permalink
Just because public sex has a universal psychological impact does not imply that nudity also does, as there are tropical societies in which women are top-free without any apparent psychological damage.
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