March 03, 2008
My Last Post: "Capstone" courses
Posted by Brett McDonnell

I've reached the end of my visit.  I want to thank again everyone here at the Conglomerate.  It remains my favorite read in the blogosphere.

For my last post, I return to the topic of changes to the law school curriculum, since that is taking up much of my time and energy at this point.  I blogged previously about some of the changes were are making to our first year curriculum here at Minnesota.  I actually think that more work needs to be done with the third year rather than the first year.  We have started thinking about the third year, and have just begun to develop a series of what we are calling "capstone" courses.  These will be focused on trying to give students a better sense of what practice in some particular areas is like.  They will be simulation-based and team taught.

An example of a possible course of particular interest to readers here is our start-up company capstone proposal.  In this, students would follow a fictional start-up company through critical stages in its development.  One faculty member would teach about choice of entity and formation, and the students would draft certificates and bylaws.  Another faculty would teach about employment law, and the students would draft employment agreements with the founders.  A third professor would teach about IP, and the students would draft IP licensing agreements.  And so on through a variety of possible scenarios.

I know that courses along somewhat similar lines have been around for a while, and others are being started now.  We are beginning to gather material on what other schools are doing along these lines.  Any pointers that anyone would like to provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

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1. Posted by David Zaring on March 3, 2008 @ 20:02 | Permalink

Delighted to have your visit, Brett. Lyman Johnson at W&L is setting up something similar, though one professor teaches it exclusively, I think, and you may be able to have lunch with him about it when he's at St Thomas.

And maybe they were considering something like this at Colorado? Not sure what happened there, though.


2. Posted by Dave! on March 4, 2008 @ 10:03 | Permalink

I took a very similar course as a 2L called "Legal Aspects of Startups". It wasn't a 'capstone' per se, but it was geared towards those same critical stages for startup ventures. It was a brand new class at my school, so there was a lot of exploration and wrangling of details.

Overall, it was a really great class, full of valuable information, and a whole lot of fun. A couple of things to watch out for, based on my experiences...

1. Don't deal with venture financing at all. Many of the students were *extremely* interested in this aspect of the course, but it can quickly consume time at the expense of other areas. Besides, you aren't going to *really* be able to cover VC/PE adequately in a 6 week section of one course... if you want to tackle those issues, make it a separate course.

2. Same goes for public offerings. Seriously, scope creep...

3. Focus on real entities that _real world_ small business owners deal with forming. Deal with family owned businesses. Only so many students are going to end up taking companies public. The rest are going to have to form entities for Mom-and-Pop Dream Restaurant.

4. Don't skimp on the employment law issues. Not glamorous stuff. Very useful, though.

5. "Start Up" seems to connote "high tech" which is all well and good... and IP licensing is all hot and sexy (well, to some of us). But startups come in all shapes, sizes and *types*... they aren't all Web 2.0 Facebook Myspaces. I'm sure you know that, but (at least in my class) everyone wanted teh sexy, but the reality is small retail, service based, or restaurant based startups are the vast majority out there... and those that are likely to be encountered by students coming out of school.

Sure, we'd all like to work for Wilson Sonsini (okay... maybe that's just me) but many of us will--for better or worse--end up at Dewey Cheatham and Howe. One of the most frustrating things I experienced in law school was the failure to acknowledge that not all clients present interesting, sexy work... or the filp-side, the perception that just because the perspective client coming off the street wants to start a Doggy Day Care instead of a new web company that they can't be interesting and fun clients.


3. Posted by Anon on March 4, 2008 @ 12:13 | Permalink

UCLA has been offering those type of capstone courses as a requirement of its business law specialization for more than 10 years. There are a whole series of what are called transactional skills courses, including public offerings, venture capital, complex financing transactions, deals, mergers and acquisitions transactions. They sometimes are taught by groups of adjuncts covering different subject matter and sometimes permanent faculty in law and management team teach. They have simulation components and drafting or negotiation exercises.

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